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John Turner[1]

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  • Name John Turner  [2, 3
    Born 20 Jan 1819  Tavistock, Devon, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [3
    Christened 4 Feb 1819  Tavistock, Devon, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [4
    Gender Male 
    FamilySearch ID G7V4-7JG 
    FamilySearch URL https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/G7V4-7JG 
    Died Y  [3
    Person ID I10922  Main
    Last Modified 19 May 2020 

    Father John Turner 
    Mother Mary Gubbins,   b. 1779, Poundstock, Cornwall, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Aft 1861, Devon, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 83 years) 
    Notes 
    Married:
    • There are two boys named John (John #3 and John #4 below) whose parents are listed on original documents as John and Mary Turner, baptised by W. Rooker, in the same church register, in Tavistock, Devon.

      John #1 Turner - possible father of John #2
      John #2 Turner - husband of Mary, listed as father of John #3 and
      John #3 Gubbins - b.5 Nov c 18 Nov 1817 (the "s" is clearly visible in the record)
      John #4 Turner - b. 20 Jan 1819 c.4 Feb 1819

      Soome possibilities:

      John (#3) Gubbins Turner died young - His parents (John #2 and Mary) re-used his name for John #4 as was common in that era. Following the British Isles naming convention, John #2 Turner's first son should be named after his father - John #1.  One problem with this theory is that a John Gubbins Turner with the same birth date as John #3 Gubbins was transported to Australlia and died there in 1888.  One problem with this theory is that John #4 Turner was not listed as John Gubbins in the christening book.  Perhaps an omission, or by design to differentiate, but an anomaly either way since the parents and the minister were the same.

      John (#3) Gubbins Turner was adopted - His biological mother possibly died when he was born, and perhaps his father (a Gubbins), was dead or unable to provide care.  Mary and John #2 would have reason to adopt him if John #3 Gubbins was Mary's nephew, possibly the son of her brother and his deceased wife. One additional point  supporting the adoption theory is Elizabeth "Eliza" Turner was b. 20 Nov 1816 slightly less than one year before John #3 Gubbins was born. It's somewhat unusual for births to be this close even at that time.  Subsequent children were more spaced out.  This theory is compatible with John #3 Gubbins dying in Australia in 1888.

      John (#4) - was John #2 and Mary's first biological son.  In this case "John #4 Turner" was not re-used, it was required by convention that he be named after John #1. [5]
    Family ID F2627  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsBorn - 20 Jan 1819 - Tavistock, Devon, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsChristened - 4 Feb 1819 - Tavistock, Devon, England Link to Google Earth
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  • Documents
    John Turner - Christening record
    John Turner - Christening record
    Name: John Turner
    Birth Date: 20 Jan
    Event Type: Baptism
    Father: John Turner
    Mother: Mary Turner
    Baptism Date: 4 Feb 1819
    Baptism Place: Tavistock, Devon, England
    Denomination: Independent
    Piece Title: Piece 0451: Tavistock (Independent), 1796-1837

    Source Citation
    The National Archives of the UK; Kew, Surrey, England; General Register Office: Registers of Births, Marriages and Deaths surrendered to the Non-parochial Registers Commissions of 1837 and 1857; Class Number: RG 4; Piece Number: 451

    Source Information
    Ancestry.com. England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2013.

  • Sources 
    1. [SAuth] John Spencer Howell, Jr., John Spencer Howell, Jr., (http://www.jhowell.com/ jhowell@jhowell.com).

    2. [S1600] Ellen Smart, Ellen Smart, (ellensmart@mac.com), email to JSH 13 May 2020.
      "Mary Gubbin and John Turner had a son John Gubbin Turner who went to Australia (looks like he went as a convict, which might be why we never heard of him) and a daughter Jane. "

    3. [S1714] Laura Smart, Laura Smart tree on Ancestry as of 17 May 2020.

    4. [S1815] England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970, National Archives of the UK, https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=2972&h=34853&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=sJc205&_phstart=successSource.
      Name:      John Turner
      Birth Date:      20 Jan
      Event Type:      Baptism
      Father:      John Turner
      Mother:      Mary Turner
      Baptism Date:      4 Feb 1819
      Baptism Place:      Tavistock, Devon, England
      Denomination:      Independent
      Piece Title:      Piece 0451: Tavistock (Independent), 1796-1837

    5. [S518] John Spencer Howell, Jr., John Spencer Howell, Jr., (http://www.jhowell.com/ jhowell@jhowell.com), research notes.