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John Carlin[1, 2]

Male Abt 1824 - 1887  (~ 63 years)


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  • Name John Carlin  [3, 4, 5, 6
    Born Abt 1824  Canada Find all individuals with events at this location  [4, 6, 7
    Gender Male 
    FamilySearch ID LTJS-71C 
    Relationship Susan's Ancestor 
    Died 9 Oct 1887  Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  [8
    Buried 12 Oct 1887  Greenmount Cemetery, Phila, PA Find all individuals with events at this location  [9
    Person ID I1573  Main
    Last Modified 5 Sep 2018 

    Family Mary Jane Kerr,   b. Nov 1830, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 8 Jun 1901, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 70 years) 
    Children 
     1. Charles Carlin,   b. Mar 1850, Pennsylvania Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown
    +2. Katherine Carlin, "Kate",   b. 27 Dec 1851, St. Louis, Missouri Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 13 Jan 1927, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 75 years)
     3. George Carlin,   b. 1852, Ohio Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown
    +4. William Carlin,   b. 1855, Pennsylvania Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown
    +5. Mary C. Carlin,   b. 1857, Pennsylvania Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Abt 1939, New Jersey Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 82 years)
    +6. John William Carlin,   b. 24 Aug 1864, Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 6 Sep 1920, Clayton, NJ Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 56 years)
    +7. Edwin Carlin,   b. 30 Jan 1867, Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 22 Apr 1913, 453 E. Girard Ave, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 46 years)
     8. Ellen Carlin,   b. 1868, PA Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown
    Last Modified 20 May 2006 
    Family ID F69  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsBorn - Abt 1824 - Canada Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsBuried - 12 Oct 1887 - Greenmount Cemetery, Phila, PA Link to Google Earth
     = Link to Google Earth 

  • Documents
    John Carlin family - 1870 Census
    John Carlin family - 1870 Census
    1870 Census enumerated 5 July, 1870, 50th district, Philadelphia County, PA. Philadelphia post office.

    John Carlin, 48, Morocco Dresser, b. Canada <1822>
    J. Mary, 42, keeping house, b. PA <1828>
    Charles, 21, compositor, Mississippi <1849>
    Kate, 19, at home, Mississippi <1851> (I have 1851)
    George, 18, Morocco Dresser, Ohio <1852>
    William, 16, errand boy, b. PA <1854>
    Mary, 13, at school, b. PA <1857> (I have cir 1861)
    John, 9, at school, b. PA <1861> (I have 1864)
    Edwin, 5, b. PA <1865>
    Ellen, 3, b. PA <1867>


    John Carlin family - 1860 Census
    John Carlin family - 1860 Census
    Enumerated 14 June, 1860, Eastern part of the 17th Ward, Philadelphia county, PA p.93

    John Carlin, 36, Morocco Dresser, b. Canada <1824>
    Mary Jane, 30, b. PA <1830>
    Charles M., 11, b. Maryland <1849>
    Catharine, 9, b. Maryland <1851> (I have 1851)
    George, 8, b. Ohio <1852> (first we know of him)
    William, 5, b. Pennsylvania <1855> (I have name but no b. date)
    Mary C. 3, b. PA <1857> (I have cir 1861)
    Sarah Zeller, 60, b. PA <1800> (first we know of her)

  • Notes 
    • Born in Canada- "mother tongue Irish" Occupation "Morocco Dresser"

      There is not much evidence to say this John Carlin and his family is indeed "ours" - but the evidence is compelling enough to tentatively conclude that they are - for now.

      The link to this family is bsed on the somewhat unusual fact that this John Carlin, living in Philadelphia, indicated in both the 1860 and 1870 U.S. Census that he was born in Canada.  This fact is supported independently for Census listings in 1920 (that we are certain are ours) for his children showing their father was born in Canada.  For example, the 1920 Census listing for John William Carlin, age 56, by then living in New Jersey with his second wife "Ray" and son William indicates that John W.'s father was born in Canada, "mother tongue Irish", mother born PA.

      Further evidence is obtained by comparing the names and ages of the John Carlin family in 1860 and 1870 with the birth dates that we independently have obtained for the children.  We already are aware of four Carlin siblings:

      1.  Kate/Catherine is the eldest daughter, and she appears on both the 1860 and 1870 Census. Her birth year of 1851 exactly matches.  The 1860 census indicates born Maryland, 1870 indicates b. Mississippi. (this birth location discrepancy also happens with Charles - see below)

      2. Mary C.'s name and initial appears but with a discrepancy in her age. We had her age b. cir 1861 based on the 1920 census where she appears as Mary C. Heatherlin, aunt, living with her nephew W. R. Boyer and family.  In the 1860 and 1870 census her birth year is 1857.  The fact that she 'grew a few years younger' as she aged is not all that unusual in the census reports of the time.

      3. John William Carlin we had as born 1864 does not appear in the 1860 census (correct), but shows born 1861 in the 1870 census.  This discrepancy although explanations can be found, is one of the strongest cause for doubt that the 1860 and 1870 families are ours.

      4. William Carlin appears b. cir 1854 in both 1860 and 1870 census', we had no b. date for him.

      New children are introduced to us in the 1860 and 1870 Census as follows:
      Charles M. b. 1849, in Maryland in the 1860 census, in Misissippi in the 1870.
      George b. 1852 in Ohio.
      Edwin b. 1865 in PA
      Ellen b. 1867 in PA.
      A bit curious that nothing has appeared previously on them, so a negative indicator that this family is ours.

      One last thing we learn is John's wife, J. Mary (1870 census), or Mary Jane (1860 census), was born in PA.  John W. Carlin in 1920 indicated his mother was born in PA.

      John Carlin's death is recorded in the Philadelphia Death Certificate Index 9 Oct 1887 with occupation "Morocco Shaver" (most likely a leather tanner - also ref to as morocco dresser)

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  • Sources 
    1. [S941] Richard T. Rhoads, Jr.

    2. [SAuth] John Spencer Howell, Jr., John Spencer Howell, Jr., (http://www.jhowell.com/ jhowell@jhowell.com).

    3. [S977] 1860 U.S. Census, John Carlin, 36, Morocco Dresser, b. Canada <1824> (Reliability: 0).

    4. [S690] 1870 U.S. Census, John Carlin, 48, Morocco Dresser, b. Canada <1822> -- 1870 Census enumerated 5 July, 1870, 50th district, Philadelphia County, PA. Philadelphia post office. (Reliability: 0).

    5. [S1758] Philadelphia City Deaths.

    6. [S1762] Pennslyvania Death Certificates 1906 - 1966, (Source Citation Pennsylvania Historic and Museum Commission; Pennsylvania, USA; Pennsylvania (State). Death certificates, 19061966; Certificate Number Range: 040921-044360 Source Information Ancestry.com. Pennsylvania, Death Certificates, 1906-1966 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014. Original data: Pennsylvania (State). Death certificates, 19061963. Series 11.90 (1,905 cartons). Records of the Pennsylvania Department of Health, Record Group 11. Pennsylvania Historical and Museum Commission, Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.), https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/5164/42342_647661_0608-02123?pid=3918610&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D5164%26h%3D3918610%26tid%3D153900399%26pid%3D212034084551%26hid%3D1050185046882%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3 (Reliability: 3).

    7. [S864] 1900 U.S. Census, Philadelphia, PA 4 Jun 1900 Census district 537, Ward 23 of City (Reliability: 0).

    8. [S1758] Philadelphia City Deaths, 9 Oct 1887 (Reliability: 3).

    9. [S1758] Philadelphia City Deaths, Greenmount Cem., 12 Oct 1887 (Reliability: 3).